| Additional Comments About Forgiveness Rick Garlikov When I first wrote about
forgiveness, it seemed obvious to me that it
required the wrongdoer to do something to make up in
some way for the harm and damage s/he caused,
physical, emotional, and any other psychological harm
or damage, such as perhaps what is labeled "pain and
suffering" in civil lawsuits. But I have since
learned it is a fairly common view that forgiveness is
more dependent in some way on the victim of the
wrongdoing either as some sort of duty, such as a
supposed Christian one, or as a psychological
prescription in order for them to "move on" past their
anger and malevolent feelings toward the perpetrator
who wronged them and be able to attain some sort of
peace to get over what happened and get on with their
lives in a happier and more productive way.
I believe that common view is misguided for two reasons: 1) it confuses the potential psychology of forgiveness with the ethics of it, and 2) it gets the psychology backwards. It gets it backwards because it mistakes a potential effect or accompaniment to forgiveness with its cause or constitution, when in fact it is the wrongdoer's acts which make him or her deserve forgiveness be the very acts which also help the victim heal. If the wrongdoer has genuine remorse and regret for his/her wrong, does what s/he can to undo the harm and damage caused, including showing genuine respect and concern for the well-being of the victim whom s/he clearly disrespected and didn't care about when doing the wrong, and makes a concerted, genuine effort not to repeat the wrong to the victim or anyone else, that should help (or even suffice) to heal the victim from raging or continuing to rage against the wrongdoer. It is not that one forgives in order to heal nor that one has forgiven by healing, but that the wrongdoer's atonement makes forgiveness deserved, justified, necessary, and possible, while at the same time providing the balm for recovery and healing. And a significant part of the atonement and restitution for the wrongdoing is establishing respect in the place of the disrespect for the victim, given that I argue that disrespect is often the major underlying sin, offense, or transgression of any wrongdoing. And it confuses the psychology of forgiveness with the ethics of it because if the perpetrator continues on his/her same path of wrongdoing and rejoicing in it, only ruing being caught and punished, not regretting having done wrong to deserve punishment, then the victim's potential recovery, say, through therapy, work, taking up marathon running or golf in order to replace his/her suffering and anger a goal or purpose (which many would associate with a different, merely distracting, form of suffering and frustration, particularly in the case of golf which is a triumph of hope over experience), is simply healing, not "forgiving". Just as one can heal from a physical wound without being medically treated, one can heal from an emotional wound without having treatment too. The healing or recovery by itself is not a sign of having been properly treated. In the case of harm from wrongdoing, self-recovery, self-healing, and even therapeutic and emotional help from others is not sufficient to justify or even allow forgiveness of the wrongdoer. If the perpetrator of the wrong is not remorseful and not sincerely and genuinely apologetic, doesn't care about restitution or any sort of atonement or reform of his/her ways, forgiveness is neither justified nor possible because any dismissal of the perpetrator's wrong by the victim is simply ignoring the perpetrator's act, not forgiving it. And clearly the principle of "no harm, no foul" does not apply either to physical or emotional injury. The perpetrator doesn't have a legitimate defense in saying "You healed after your surgery from the bullets I shot you with, and you obviously have had a good and happy marriage, family, and career since then, so why are you still blaming me for what I did to you? You recovered quite well, and have prospered even more than I have, so get over it and forgive me. You should have done that long ago in fact once things started going well for you." Forgiving is about genuinely believing and feeling that the perpetrator has done enough to make up for his/her inexcusable wrong that they do not deserve (further) punishment for having done it. One can still hate the wrong was done and even hate the person that the wrongdoer "was" when s/he committed it, but not hate the changed version of the perpetrator who is no longer like that person morally although they are the same physical person or same person "identity-wise". For that to happen, the wrongdoer must meet the four requirements for deserving forgiveness, or at least meet them as much as is possible, which, of course, is more difficult when restitution cannot be made, such as in murder, but where perhaps someone sacrifices much of personal value to save the lives of others in order to atone as much as possible for the life one took. It may be helpful to consider the concept of "forgiveness" in juxtaposition with "justification" and "excuse": 1) Justification shows the reasons for why an act is right.In short, while psychologically and emotionally recovering and healing from a wrong done to you is important, and can often best result from the wrongdoer's regret, remorse, sincere apology, voluntary restitution, and genuine and sincere attempt to reform his/her behavior, such healing and recovery does not itself constitute forgiveness nor does the pursuit of healing justify or constitute forgiveness. It at most constitutes ignoring the wrong and the wrongdoer. Of course, it may be necessary and justified to ignore the wrongdoer and wrong that was done to you if that is the only way you can move on (and the wrongdoer is not in any way repentant), but emotional and psychological healing or recovery from a harm inexcusably done to you is not necessarily forgiveness for it any more than is healing and recovery from an intentional physical injury forgiveness from a violent physical attack or aggravated battery. Further explanation: Causal Responsibility for an Act 1) you could have done
otherwise had you chosen to and Causal Responsibility for an Omission or
Failure to Act 3) you could have done the
act had you chosen to and The following all refer to acts or
omissions for which one is causally
responsible. Blameworthiness for a Wrong Act You
Did 5) you knew it was wrong
or [The “and” in 6 goes with either 5 or 6, meaning that if and only if 7 is true and either 5 or 6 is true, then you are blameworthy for the act you did.] Blameworthiness for a Wrongful
Omission or Failure to Act* 8) you knew it was wrong
not to do it or [The “and” in 9 goes with either 8 or 9, meaning that if and only if 10 is true and either 8 or 9 is true, then you are blameworthy for not doing the act or for failing to do the act.] Punishment** Justifying
an act means explaining what makes it right, and an
act is justified if and only if it was a
right act to do. There may be more than one
right act for some situations, even if they conflict
with each other, in that there may be more than one
way to achieve the same or equally good results in
equally fair and just ways, (and whatever other
criteria are involved in determining what makes acts
right). For example, what order you run a set
of errands in may not matter, though, of course you
cannot run them in different orders at the same
time, so whichever sequence you choose prevents you
from doing one of the other sequences. At this point, I need to make a distinction between punishment for culpable wrongdoing, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, harming someone out of self-defense or in defense of other innocent people. We, for example, put down (i.e., execute) rabid animals in order to protect people from them, even though we do not believe it is the animal's fault that it is rabid and dangerous. The killing of the animal is certainly a harm to it, but it is not a "punishment" for something it did, especially if it has not actually attacked anyone yet. If we quarantine someone with a dangerous contagious disease or if we institutionalize someone psychotic in a restrictive facility because s/he is extremely dangerous and a constant threat to others, that is a protective measure for society, not a punishment for a willfully or freely voluntarily committed crime or wrong by someone fully capable of choosing not to have done it. We can believe people are extremely dangerous and take protective measures that limit their freedom and that even cause them to suffer, before they have actually done something that merits incarceration or harm as a punishment.Forgiving someone means holding them not deserving of any (further) punishment, although they did something which was inexcusably wrong. Normally one holds them not deserving of (further) punishment because they have done something since (or possibly even before) doing the wrong act that makes up for the wrong they did and the harm they have caused; they have in some way 'atoned for' their wrong doing, and where their suffering is warranted as a penalty for the wrong act they did, they have also suffered enough. This typically involves doing, in some fashion or other, all four of the following where all four are possible: 11) feeling genuine
remorse In cases, such as murder or permanent injury where 12 and 13 are not possible, one might still deserve forgiveness if one has, without coercion, bargaining or in any other form of merely trying to avoid (further) punishment, done something to make up for one’s wrongdoing as much as possible by a serious, strenuous, and sustained effort to help others in a way one would not have done had one not done (or failed to do) the act and been remorseful for doing (or failing to do) it. I believe that forgiving someone for a blameworthy act -- i.e., a wrong act for which they have no justified excuse -- means believing they no longer deserve (further) externally inflicted punishment (as opposed to suffering from their own conscience) because they have done something sufficient to atone for the act for which they are blameworthy. Part of what is sufficient atonement involves repentance, and in some cases voluntary sacrifice or risk of sacrifice of something important to the wrongdoer. I will say more about that later. Some people, however, believe that "the Christian thing to do" is forgive all people of their wrongs, but it seems to me that is ignoring their wrongs rather than forgiving them for having done them, and in part I believe that because those who hold the view that all people automatically deserve forgiveness for their wrong acts do not actually believe that in ordinary cases. I will come back to this shortly, but first a small digression to help me illustrate the point that forgiveness is not a simple concept, certainly not as simple as it is often portrayed.In Book V, Chapter IV, "Rebellion", of The Brothers Karamazov, Fyodor Dostoevsky passionately and eloquently makes the case that no one, not even God, can or should forgive a person for a harm that person did to another -- that one can only forgive a person for a harm that person did to oneself. One of his examples is the brutal murder of an infant in its mother's arms, about which he says that even if the mother could find some kind of forgiveness in her heart for the murderer, at best she only has the ability or the right to forgive him for the suffering he has caused her by the act, not the harm and suffering he did to the baby. This view is also presented in Judaism, during the "ten days of penitence (or repentance)" from Rosh Hashonah through Yom Kippur, where it is pointed out that God can only forgive you for sins you have done against Him, not those you have committed against other people, and that to be forgiven for those sins, you must seek forgiveness from those whom you wronged. That leads to a number of questions: 1) Is it true or not one cannot be forgiven by a third party instead of by the person you have wronged? Why or why not? 2) Are there criteria that are individually necessary and jointly sufficient for someone to deserve forgiveness or that make it right to forgive someone, or is forgiveness just up to anyone to forgive another for any reason s/he decides or any way s/he feels? 3) Is there any way a person who has murdered an innocent person can deserve forgiveness, if forgiveness is something that has criteria that can make it deserved? Why or why not? 4) If you choose not to let another person's wrong or terrible actions "consume you" or "eat you up with venom and anger" and keep you in a state of anger or frustration, but instead you choose to put it out of your mind and "go on with your life", is that to "forgive" the person? Why or why not? 5) If out of a sense of love for all other human beings, you immediately say you forgive someone who has wronged you, even terribly, is that actually forgiving them? Why or why not? To try
to make these questions easier for my students, I
ask them to consider a fairly easy, non-emotional
kind of case, as I think one should generally
begin many kinds of inquiries (whether ethical,
mathematical, scientific, etc.) and see whether
they can figure out what one should do to deserve
forgiveness and then try to generalize from
there. The case is: your dog gets out of
your yard and goes into the neighbor's yard and
poops on his driveway and tears up some of his
flowers in a flower bed. Assuming, what
seems reasonable, that you are at least to some
extent responsible for your dog's doing this
because you did not have it secure or well-trained
(which would not be true if someone else broke
into your reasonably secure house or yard and put
the dog in your neighbor's yard, gave it a
fast-acting laxative, and put some sort of rabbit
scent in the soil of the flower bed, etc.), what
do you need to do in order to deserve forgiveness
for it? There are at least four things.
What are they? Generalize then about
any wrongdoing. And, can a different
neighbor forgive you for what your dog did to this
neighbor's yard? Why or why not? Many or
most of my students, generally having been raised
as Christians, almost universally try to begin by
talking about what they believe is the Christian
view of forgiveness, combined with a conventional,
contemporary psychological view of it -- that one
should always be forgiving because 1) Christ died
for our sins so that we all (including wrongdoers
in any particular case) can thus be absolved of
them, 2) Christ commanded us to love our fellow
human beings, including wrongdoers, and 3) the point
of forgiveness is to help the victim (or loved
one of the victim, or the observer) of the wrong
overcome his/her bitterness, resentment, hatred
of the wrongdoer so that it doesn't further do
more harm to them by 'eating at them' or
festering and so that he can love others as
commanded. They further say that forgiveness
is always a gift from the victim or the observer
to the perpetrator, just as God's grace for
sinners is, and that third party forgiveness,
particularly by God is possible -- but then they
do not apply any of these ideas when they discuss
the dog case, because they say the dog owner does
need to do specific things in order to deserve
forgiveness, and that if he does those things, he
then deserves forgiveness and you should forgive
him. You, as the dog owner, they say correctly, have to
1) sincerely apologize to the neighbor, 2) actually
have remorse or regret (in the sense of being sorry)
it happened, 3) clean up the mess and plant new
flowers for him, and 4) try to make your own fence
more secure, etc. so your dog is not likely to be
able get loose again like that. In
short, you need in general, whenever possible to: 1)
have remorse, 2) express that remorse as a genuine
statement of regret and apology, 3) make restitution
(where possible), and 4) make a serious and
reasonable attempt at rehabilitation to prevent
further recurrence (even if you are unsuccessful,
since one cannot totally guarantee the dog can never
escape again). But surely, if their general
Christian and psychology views with which they began
were what they believed about forgiveness, they
should believe that you, the dog owner, would not
need to do anything other than to gently remind the
neighbor (or have someone else gently remind the
neighbor) whose yard your dog harmed that both for
his own peace of mind and as a Christian, he should
just forgive you and not be upset over any wrong
done to him, perhaps particular such small wrongs as
this one. Essentially just let him know, or
have a friend of his or some other third party he
trusts let him know, that he should just 'suck this
up' or 'walk it off' and get over it and be more
tolerant and loving, and that holding a grudge will
only harm him and not do any good, and Christ has
already atoned for your sin, so no more needs to be
done. But the New Testament requires at
least a claim of repentance for his action by the
wrongdoer, though it has seemingly conflicting
comments about whether that claim of repentance
needs to be honest and sincere. Stressing
actual repentance are Luke 15:10 "Likewise, I say unto
you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of
God over one sinner that repenteth" and Luke 17:3 "Take heed to
yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee,
rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive
him." But Luke
17:4 seems only to require a statement or
claim of repentance: "And if he trespass against
thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day
turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt
forgive him." Luke 17:4 just seems to require
saying one repents, as opposed to actually
repenting. That strikes me as odd,
particularly repeatedly doing wrong after saying one
was sorry the first time or two. Repeated
wrongdoing after saying one repents strikes me as a
hollow, insincere claim of repentance, unless
possibly "trespass" means "errs", which could
include mistakes, and the person is unfamiliar with
the work and keeps making different errors out of
excusable ignorance. If that were the case, it
would possibly be reasonable to keep excusing the
person, but in my terminology, that would not be
about forgiving him or her, since they are not to
blame in the first place for their ignorance, and
their continued apologies shows they have good
intentions and mean well -- that they are deserving
people. But people who actually repent their errors
are also considered to be deserving, as pointed out
in the following: Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that
likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner
that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine
just persons, which need no repentance.
Luke 15:10
"Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the
presence of the angels of God over one sinner
that repenteth." So it is not clear that
Christianity requires automatic forgiveness without
the wrongdoer's doing something to deserve it.
Some of my students in an onground ethics course
challenged some of the ideas I presented above, and
the following is my description of their objections
and my responses to them: First Alex’s. Words in a common language cannot mean just anything people want them to. To say “I forgive you” doesn’t mean, for example, “This elevator goes really fast.” The question is what the concept of forgiveness implies or means, and how much variation there can be in it, and a different question -- the one I was asking and trying to answer -- whether there are criteria for deserving forgiveness and what they might be. Now it seems to me that a minimal meaning of
forgiving someone is holding that although they did
something wrong for which they had no excuse or
mitigating factor, they no longer deserve punishment
because they have done something to ‘make the
situation right in some way’ or that they have done
something to make up somehow for the wrong they
did. If an act is not wrong to begin with,
forgiveness does not apply. It would be a joke
to tell someone who does you a favor or is very good
to you “I forgive you” just as it is a joke to tell
someone you ‘blame’ them for giving you a great
life, as in responding to someone who says you have
a great marriage “That is my wife’s fault”
in order to give her all the credit but in a
humorous way. And if someone has a legitimate
excuse for doing something wrong, as in running a
stop sign that is hidden by trees, they also should
not be punished, and they don’t need
forgiveness. They are excused for their wrong
act, not forgiven for it. Forgiveness is about
reaction of a certain sort to a perpetrator of a
wrong act s/he committed without legitimate excuse. As stated previously, the normally proper
response to someone who does a wrong act without
excuse would be that s/he deserves punishment, and
the reason I gave for that was in order to penalize
the person to redress the imbalance of undeserved
evil s/he caused and undeserved benefit s/he gained
and to make him/her at least partially share in (if
not fully bear) all the burdens and harms
done by his/her act -- including pain and suffering,
torment and agony, and labor and opportunity costs,
etc. of resources used in investigating the wrong,
pursuit of the perpetrator, future security,
etc. Forgiveness wipes out penalizing or
punishing the person any further, probably because
s/he has suffered enough for any part of the wrong,
including any part s/he has not redressed or
remedied. It is granted because the imbalance
has been voluntarily righted by the perpetrator
him/herself by his/her making full or sufficient
restitution (as possible) and sharing in the
suffering. It removes the need for or point of
any (further) punishment. As Katie accepted,
God’s forgiveness involves not consigning the person
to eternal damnation for his/her
transgression. If God said He forgave you but
was sending you to hell for what you did anyway,
that would not be forgiveness. So in part,
there was something wrong or strange about the
reaction of the loved ones of the Charleston church
killing victims who said they forgave the murderer
but wanted him punished to the full extent of the
law. That is one clue that whatever they mean
by forgiveness, it is not the normal meaning, and
probably has to do with their not being consumed
with animosity and anger or bitterness toward the
killer but dispassionately and logically think he
deserves punishment. But although genuinely
forgiving someone may naturally lead to not being
consumed by animosity, anger, and bitterness toward
them, the reverse is not necessarily true.
Simply not being consumed by those things is not by
itself forgiveness. You can’t just skip the
step of genuinely believing they don’t deserve
(further) punishment. If one could take a pill
or a really good anger management course in order to
psychologically “get past” or overcome one’s anger
and bitterness toward the perpetrator by a kind of
emotional anesthetic or amnesia, that would not be
to forgive them or to achieve the outcome via
forgiveness. It would be achieving that
particular outcome a totally different way.
And since the assailant in the Charleston church
murders did not even claim to repent before the
congregants said they forgave him, he does not even
meet the lesser criterion for forgiveness of Luke
17:4. Now in regard to the question of religion, what I am concerned involves ‘theology’ more than mere religious belief that might be preached from a pulpit. Theology is systematically developed religious theory and belief for deeper understanding. It is like philosophy except that it begins with, and accepts the religious beliefs themselves and tries to explain and justify or support them so that people can be sure they correctly understand what God intends and insofar as possible can see why it is reasonable. Understanding it is important, since if you misunderstand or do not fully understand what God asks of you, you are not likely to do the right thing. An easy example of the point is the mistaken view many people have that one of the ten commandments is one should not kill another human being. That is clearly not what God meant, at least at the event at Sinai, because there were actually 613 commandments that God gave then, there is no distinction given in importance between the first ten and the other 603, and some of the 603 others are commandments about punishment, including capital punishment. Capital punishment is not just allowed, but required in certain cases. And He delegates man to carry out His will in that regard. So anyone who claims that it is a sin to execute a murderer because it violates the ten commandments is not understanding the commandment correctly, which is that one should not murder another human being, where murder is the wrongful killing of an innocent person. And if one thinks that the New Testament keeps the first ten commandments but not the other 603, then one has to square that somehow with Matthew 5:17ff, where Jesus said He did not come to abolish the laws but to fulfill them, and said “18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.” And also clearly Jesus showed that people’s shallow understanding of the commandments was not necessarily what God meant. In Mark 2:27, he said it did not violate the Sabbath to pick grain to eat because “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” As to Sydney’s view that my criteria put power in
the hands of the perpetrator, not the victim, I
don’t see that as true in an unqualified way.
I think it is true in a specific sense of
forgiveness, if we distinguish between truly
believing someone deserves forgiveness and
emotionally and psychologically actually feeling
forgiveness toward them, feels forgiving of
them. Consider an analogy. If someone
does or offers to do something nice for you that is
strictly voluntary on their part and not something
necessary, the proper response by you should be
“Thank you”, even if it is not a gift you wanted or
wanted from them and that receiving doesn't make you
feel appreciative or thankful. If it is
appropriate for you to do so, and if you are capable
of doing it well, you may say in a kind and tactful
way it was not something you want, but you still
need to thank them for their offer, effort, and good
intention. And you should still be
appreciative of their giving it to you, even if you
cannot feel appreciative. That does
not take power away from you; it is just the right
thing to do. People who do what is right are
not less powerful or autonomous than people who do
what is wrong out of a hardened heart or spiteful
will. But Sydney's contention would be true if
we take it to mean no one can rightly force a person
to actually be and feel appreciative
or thankful. If the perpetrator can do
something to deserve forgiveness, than it does not
diminish the victim’s power to be forgiving. But, of
course, it is dependent on the victim whether to
fully believe and accept psychologically or
emotionally "in his or her heart" to feel forgiving,
as opposed to believing the person deserves
forgiveness or not -- whether the belief and
acceptance or whether disbelief and rejection of it
are reasonable or not. Even if one forgives
the wrongdoer, that does not require one to be
friendly with him or her or to have any sort of
cordial or business relationship. One might
avoid contact with the wrongdoer because at the very
least it would bring back painful
memories. One can perhaps even still have
resentment for the wrongdoer, but truly believe they
no longer deserve (further) punishment; but it is
just that you can not warm up to them or be friends
or anything better than civil. In other words,
the concept of forgiveness can be considered to have
both a logical and a psychological component.
The logical component may or may not influence the
psychological one, but one cannot be legitimately
forced to feel forgiving, even if one ought
to believe, and actually even does believe,
forgiveness is deserved. What the perpetrator
does may require his/her victim logically to accept
they should not be further punished, but it cannot
require the victim to feel forgiving,
particularly in a loving or friendly sense or way. Moreover, while Dostoevsky's claim is that only the
victim has the right to forgive, that doesn't mean
the victim therefore always has the right to bestow
forgiveness. It is common, for example, for
women and children who are violently abused by their
husband or father (or children who are violently
abused by either parent) to be too charitable toward
the abuser and/or too ready to blame themselves and
too accepting of harm as some sort of deserved
punishments for their own behaviors or emotions and
attitudes. So even if the abused spouse or
children are forgiving, that doesn't mean the state
should not punish the abuser for what he has done to
the victims. So even if Dostoevsky is correct
that the victim's consent is necessary for
forgiveness to be right, that does not mean the
victim's consent to forgive is sufficient
for it to be right. And oppositely, in cases
where the abuser does logically deserve forgiveness,
the victim's withholding of consent to it is not
sufficient for the state not to grant it, even
though the state cannot control the victim's
granting or withholding psychological forgiveness. Sydney’s view of not allowing anything the perpetrator does to possibly even count toward logically deserving and requiring forgiveness (as opposed to being given it by the victim emotionally and psychologically) is the total opposite logic of the Charleston people’s view of granting immediate ‘forgiveness’ toward a perpetrator of wrong without his having to do anything. Both views seem wrong although I can give three kinds of scenarios where Sydney’s view would not be totally mistaken. But the first is because forgiveness can never be deserved for some acts, and the second is that it can never be known by other people to be deserved, even if it is deserved. The first case where Sydney’s view would be right
is where the wrong done is so clearly heinous and
malicious that nothing can “make it right” or in any
way understandable how anyone with a shred of
understanding or decency could do it. Nothing
can repair the damage or explain how someone could
be genuinely remorseful afterward without being
sufficiently mindful not to do it in the first
place. It is a wrong so bad that it is
impossible to make up for it, at least to the loved
ones of the victims, if not to everyone. On my
criteria that is a case where restitution cannot be
sufficiently made. I think that Dostoevsky in
part says that is why God should not forgive some
wrongs (even if it were logically possible for Him
or any third party to grant forgiveness),
particularly, but not only, where the perpetrator is
not even sorry. I do not know whether the crimes
Dostoevsky recounts in that section of The
Brothers Karamazov are real or fictitious
ones, but similar crimes occur all too frequently in
real life today, even in supposedly 'advanced',
civilized countries. Little children are
kidnapped, drugged, raped, beaten and murdered, and
their dead bodies desecrated. Teenagers and
adults are also, often being treated in terribly
brutal ways that defy the understanding of any
civilized and decent person. Even when there
is no torture or desecration involved, mass
shootings and stabbings murder innocent, undeserving
people randomly when they were simply minding their
own business. As I write this there were two
separate incidents in the United States this past
weekend, where people were attacked even during
religious observances, which seems to be a
particularly heinous, disrespectful, irreverent,
obscene, inhumane, and indecent act. At least
two of the people attacked died. The second case where Sydney’s view would be right (and this picks up also on a point of Misty’s) is where it is impossible for us to tell whether the perpetrator is genuinely sorry and actually trying to make up for the wrong or where s/he is simply trying to have their punishment decreased or is trying not to get caught by ‘lying low’. On my criteria that means we cannot tell whether the perpetrator is genuinely remorseful or not. Notice, God is attributed not to have this particular problem because supposedly God can see into the perpetrator’s heart and soul to see whether there is true remorse and repentance or not. (Jeremiah 6:20 "To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.") And God wants you to do what you do out of love, not out of having to seek forgiveness (Mark 33 "... to love one's neighbour as oneself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.") Insofar as God is omniscient, as it is claimed, He
can see whether someone has repented or not for a
wrong s/he did, or whether s/he is just trying to
avoid condemnation and punishment. We humans
cannot do that, except sometimes -- particularly
those times where the transformation is dramatic and
clearly self-motivated when the person had not been
caught and was not likely to be caught. Once
the person is caught, it is impossible or at least
extremely difficult, to distinguish true remorse
from “jailhouse repentance” intended just to get a
lighter sentence or to get parole or early release,
or to know whether their regret is simply from
having been caught and punished rather than out of
actual contrition from having committed the wrong
and caused harm, extra work, or suffering to
others. To regret having done the wrong thing
because one is being punished is not the proper kind
of regret for one's wrong act. The third kind of case is probably closer to what
Dostoevsky had in mind: the act harms the victim in
ways that are unfathomable to, or unable to be
sufficiently felt by, others and that the
perpetrator has not yet had sufficient contrition,
made sufficient restitution, or suffered enough to
adequately share the pain and suffering s/he has
caused. There is a sense in which only the
victim feels or experiences the torment it caused
him or her (and continues to cause if the victim
survives) , and the toll it has taken and continues
to take. Others may perceive the damage it did
and/or is continuing to do to the victim, perhaps in
some cases even better than the victim does.
But in the sense of perceiving one's feelings
directly, only the victim can do that and know when
they feel 'restored' and feel
'whole' again in some way (whether they are actually
restored or not), given the actions of the wrongdoer
in seeking forgiveness. Insofar as the victim
is either overly sensitive to, or is insufficiently
aware of, the toll the wrong act took on him or her,
s/he could still be too slow to grant deserved
forgiveness or too quick to grant undeserved
forgiveness. But that doesn't mean others can
say enough has been done to compensate for the felt
harm done to him or her. The best they can say
is that s/he ought or ought not to be over the
torment by now, not that s/he is or isn't over
it. They can say s/he ought to feel forgiving
but not that s/he is able to, or even to believe
s/he should feel forgiving. And even if
someone else can do things to help the victim
recover their previous state of mind from before the
wrong done to them, that doesn't mean the victim can
attribute that to the perpetrator's having done
enough to restore that state. If someone
steals my car, other people may restore my faith in
the goodness of some people by giving me a new car,
but that doesn't make me want to forgive or feel
forgiving of the thief. We can know which
parts of our joys and sorrows to attribute to which
people and events. Another way to state this last point is that, as above, it is possible for people to agree about the criteria for logically deserving forgiveness (which is different from being granted forgiveness psychologically/emotionally) while still logically disagreeing about a particular case, because they disagree about whether the criteria have been met in that case. When someone is considering forgiving someone else for a wrong that person did to him or her, s/he can often better determine whether the wrong has been sufficiently remedied or not, or whether the wrongdoer has suffered as much as s/he has, and not require further restitution or further suffering by the perpetrator. But a third person cannot determine that, particularly if the victim is dead. The best one can know is that the victim would have said the perpetrator has suffered enough or not. But that is tenuous. God, it might be supposed, can ask the dead victim what s/he thinks or can know it directly. But even then there might be disagreement that the victim is being too enabling or too merciful, just as we can think a living victim is being too enabling or merciful and that the wrongdoer does not deserve mercy or remission of (further) penalty or punishment. And while it is easy to imagine someone's being too forgiving for being murdered, abused, beaten, molested, or raped, it is difficult to imagine that someone who didn't want to die or be physically or emotionally severely harmed can be too stingy or demanding by withholding forgiveness for such acts. Even if being murdered gets an innocent person to heaven sooner, they likely would have preferred to wait to take that trip and cannot be blamed for being unforgiving especially of someone unrepentant.
Returning to Katie’s and Alex’s views, while I
cannot speak for them or for God on this, I would
think that 1) either a person is not a Christian
just because s/he professes or even has a particular
belief, or 2) that if s/he is one, s/he does not
just deserve mercy because s/he takes the deal just
to get salvation and avoid damnation. Suppose
their mindset is “Let me get this straight. In
order to avoid going to hell for all the things I’ve
done, all I need to do is believe that Jesus Christ
died for my sins. Well, sure then; I’ll take
that deal. I’ll believe it, especially if my
believing it makes it true. Do you want me to
sign something to that effect? I mean, I’ll
sign it. I don’t want to go to hell.”
Would you call that person a true Christian?
Would you think God would? Do you think that
absolves them from serious punishment? I would
hope you wouldn't think that. As a missionary
I met told me, it is not the proper Christian
attitude, spirit, mentality, or understanding to
simply declare "We are saved, so party on!" Or returning to Sydney’s contention about the idea
of earning and deserving forgiveness robbing the
victim of the power whether to bestow it or not,
consider an analogy of forgiving a debt.
Suppose some guy borrows $100 from you or perhaps
$10,000. He needs to repay it. However,
suppose that he saves your life at some risk to his
own. Would it not be ungrateful normally to
still make him repay the $100? Maybe even the
full $10,000 (unless perhaps you needed the money
and he could easily afford to repay it). Has
he, by saving your life, especially at some risk to
his own, not wiped out part of the debt he owes
you? Has he not actually given you (back) more
than he owes you, though he did not pay it back in
money, but something even more valuable? Are
you not really more in his debt than he is/was in
yours? And does forgiving that part of his
monetary debt take away your “power” any more than
if he had actually repaid in money that part of the
debt? I wouldn’t think so. However, insofar as harming someone means you owe
them and society from whom your action required
assistance and to whom your wrongdoing exposes a
threat by yourself or by others that has to be
guarded against at some cost, you have incurred
obligations to those you have given these
burdens. The debt is not settled until they
are repaid and close out the debt, but the debt
cannot be settled simply by someone else's payment
to them, nor can it be cancelled by someone else on
their behalf. The debt is personal between the
two of you. You owe them sufficient suffering,
sacrifice, and contrition that they can absolve you
of any further externally inflicted penalty. It seems to me that granting forgiveness automatically as perhaps some of the Charleston people did -- if they also thought the perpetrator should not be punished -- is less about being forgiving than it is about believing no act, no matter how wrong deserves punishment. Perhaps if one believed that all acts are just mistakes or are just excusable, one could believe that. Or if one believed there are no wrong acts, one could believe that. But I doubt that any of you believe there are no wrong acts or that all wrong acts are simply mistakes or are immediately excusable. I certainly don’t believe that or see any reason to believe it. And I don’t see any reason to think God believes it, or at least that He has always believed it, especially since He stated in the laws given at Sinai what the punishments should be for certain wrong acts. Finally,
it is also possible to believe that although some
acts are wrong, or that a particular act is wrong,
and the agent is both responsible and blameworthy,
that punishment makes matters worse because it is
too harsh a response. For example, while it is
wrong for someone to break a date by standing you
up with no warning or explanation simply because
they have changed their mind, that is not, and
should not be, a police or court matter. If
it were, that would probably cause more problems
than it solves. (Now I am not talking about
avoiding legal procedures, such as getting a
restraining order against a stalker, because it
will escalate the stalker's anger and bad
behavior, but am talking about using law to
criminalize behavior that shouldn't be
criminalized because the natural consequences of
criminalizing it cause greater harm, harm that is
unnecessary. In the case of restraining
orders which just anger stalkers and escalate
their bad behaviors, the problem is not in
criminalizing stalking but making restraining
orders an insufficient legal remedy for it and
insufficient protection from it. Stalking
should be illegal, but the protections against it
need to be more realistic and effective.)
Presumably the idea that punishment is too harsh a
response to wrongdoing is the justification for
putting young children in 'time out' instead of
spanking them or even yelling at them, etc.
However, even "time-out" can be a punishment for
some children, it may be 1) insufficient remedy
against repeat offenses, and 2) too lenient, and
insufficiently punitive or penalizing, for serious
offenses. The idea
is that punishments should be commensurate with
the severity of the offense and that worse
offenses deserve harsher penalties. It is
relatively easy to rank offenses by order of their
severity and to rank punishments by order of their
harshness, but it is difficult to know how to line
them up with each other in terms of what the gaps
should be between offenses and between penalties,
and what the floors and ceilings of the penalties
should be. For example, overparking for two
hours is worse than overparking for one hour
because it hogs the parking space twice as long,
but should that mean the fine should be double for
doing it twice as long? And whether or not
it is double, should the fine for overparking one
hour be $10 or $50 or $500? $500 seems
excessive for one hour parking at an expired
meter. $1000 for two hours seems really
excessive. But both would meet the criteria
of a harsher penalty for a greater wrong. In
regard to more serious crimes, while some
people think execution (capital punishment) is too
harsh even for murder, other people think it too
lenient for particularly heinous murders or other
crimes, and that something like ongoing severe
torture before execution is more
appropriate. At the other end of the scale,
some penalties seem a 'mere slap on the wrist' for
a wrong that other people believe deserves a
harsher penalty. For example, if someone
rich were to speed for thrills through a
residential neighborhood where small children live
and play, even if s/he doesn't hit anyone or
anything, a fine might be only 'chump change' to
them and thus instead of being a deterrent is
merely a licensing fee to do it. Or consider
that in Huntsville, Alabama the penalty for
driving with an expired license tag, even if
inadvertent and even if the tag only recently
expired and one was not sent a renewal notice, is
more than the penalty for running a red light,
even if intentionally and relatively fast (though
within the speed limit). The fine alone for
driving with the expired tag is higher, but on top
of the fine, there is also a late renewal fee
penalty. To me it seems that 1) running a
red light -- particularly intentionally and at
great speed (even if within the speed limit) -- is
a far more serious offense than inadvertently
driving with a recently expired tag and, thus,
should have the stronger penalty, and 2) that the
fine for speeding is too low while the fine for
the expired tag is too high, particularly for poor
people, so that even if the fine for speeding was
made a few dollars more than the fine for driving
with the expired tag, the penalties would still
both be incommensurate with the seriousness of the
offenses, even though the red light violation
would then be more than the expired tag
violation. For penalties to be reasonably
punitive, they should not only be serially ranked
in the same order as the offenses, but each
penalty must be commensurate or appropriate to the
seriousness of the offense, taking into account
the circumstances of the wrongdoer so that what is
very harsh for one person is not just a wrist slap
to another. If the idea is that punishments
should exact suffering that is appropriate to the
offense, it has to be in some sense proportional
to the toll it takes on the wrongdoer, not just
the absolute amount, say in dollars. The point of these last two paragraphs is that withholding punishment that is too harsh or that is strategically problematic (as is criminalizing someone's "standing up" a date or their breaking a date with insufficient justification or a lame excuse) is not the same thing as forgiving. And it is not the same thing as withholding (further or greater) punishment because forgiveness is deserved. |